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  • AvatarPawan Lalwani
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    Not sure, just sent Kefu a note. Still have occasional flare-ups and can’t seem to get to the root cause but hitting my psoas with a theracane whenever I feel myself tightening up works. I’m back to riding bikes about as fast as I was pre injury and ski touring without any issues.

    AvatarPawan Lalwani
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    Very interesting Heyo, sounds like a very similar problem. Since being diagnosed celiac and going gluten free I have had a reduction in my symptoms. Still have a flare up every now and then. For me it seems to be certain movement patterns that contribute to the issue and tighten my hip flexors. We just had our first snowfall in UT and I went ski touring, I had a flare up and my psoas got super tight. I haven’t been hitting the gym but I think with the reduced muscle tone I’ve felt after going gluten free I’ll be able to workout and fox some of the muscle imbalances I’m always fighting. In the past everything would tighten up and cause a whole host of issues.

    AvatarPawan Lalwani
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    As crazy as it seems most of the tightness has gone away since I’ve gone on a strict gluten free diet and my body started taking in all the nutrients and electrolytes I was missing. Still get some weird fasciculations, but hoping these go away with time. I’ve been going pretty hard ski touring and cycling and while I get a little tightness afterwards it doesn’t really bother me or cause me pain. Kefu, any updates on how you’re doing?

    AvatarPawan Lalwani
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    Just found out I have celiac, was feeling tired and having GI issues. This has been going on for a while, just never put two and two together. Had the blood test and endoscopic biopsy to confirm. Very anemic, currently supplementing with iron, b12, vitamin c, vitamin d, etc. Wondering if this has anything to do with the constant tension in my muscles, possibly causing some of the symptoms I’ve been dealing with. Only time will tell.

    AvatarPawan Lalwani
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    I’ve had some luck managing my symptoms, but haven’t gotten to the root cause. Main things I do to manage the tightness are mckenzie pressups, foam rolling lumbar and thoracic spine, releasing the psoas on my affected side, and dry needling the lateral quad. I’ve put a lot of work into my core, glutes, and hamstrings with limited results. Seems like some movements cause tightness while others help, I need to focus on what helps going forward. Wondering if I need to do more single leg exercises as I think this is mostly stemming from a muscle imbalance that I continue to perpetuate.

    Right now it feels like the psoas on my affected/tight side is getting overworked. I mostly notice it after completing an activity but sometimes during. It presents as a tight it band/lateral retinaculum and causes some lateral knee pain. I’m into endurance sports that involve lots of knee flexion, cycling and ski touring. I also feel like the glute on the affected side isn’t firing like it should because of the dysfunction so I’ve been trying to concentrate on it as well. Haven’t seen my PT in quite sometime as I wasn’t seeing results and it’s expensive, but might go back to have him check my leg length as I previously had a functionally shorter leg on my affected side.

    Just started incorporating some more upper body work like horizontal rows and scap push ups to see if it’s something further up the chain that might be contributing to a movement pattern affecting my gait. The activities I participate in push you for a couple hours on end, I feel as though as I start getting tired my form suffers causing other muscles to take over that shouldn’t.

    AvatarPawan Lalwani
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    Nice Kefu, how’d it go? AnAny insight gleaned from the seminar?

    AvatarPawan Lalwani
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    djrachman, I’ve also found that hamstring work and posterior chain work in general helps my symptoms, but for me it seemed like it was a temporary fix.  So far doing the Mckenzie exercises seem to help the most, but aren’t a cure all.  I’ve been riding my mtn/road bike about 80 miles a week for the last couple weeks and my symptoms were under control, but a couple days back I did a 25 mile mountain bike ride with lots of vert and I started to get some lateral knee pain again.  I think I just overdid it and stayed in a position where my spine was in flexion for too long.  

    Lately, I’ve been trying to just focus on one muscle group every time I go to the gym and see what helps the most, then start working that into my routine with my mckenzie exercises.  My left VMO is smaller than my right and also fires later, I think this might have been caused by some medial knee pain that I had early on, which led to incorrect firing patterns and along with my back referring tightness to my IT band, is causing a whole host of issues.  Seems like I’ve got it mostly under control, but I’d like to get back to racing bikes and being competitive which I can’t be when things are flaring up every couple weeks.  I’m 90% better, but still have a ways to go figuring out how to get that last 10%.
    AvatarPawan Lalwani
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    How’s it coming Kefu? After focusing on my posture and staying out of flexion I’m 95% better. Just twinges here and there, but it’s a good reminder to pay attention to my posture and any tightness goes away. I’ve found that foam rolling my lumbar and thoracic spine also helps.

    AvatarPawan Lalwani
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    Jake, you didn’t mention whether you’ve seen a good PT.  Not all are created equal, so make sure you research and try to find one that will try to come up with a diagnosis and treat the cause of your imbalances vs just treating the local issues.  Sounds like you have a lot of layers to peel back and try to fix. 


    I’m definitely not a PT, so I don’t want to give you the wrong advice, but if your glutes aren’t firing at all then that might be a first step, working on isometric holds doing a clamshel, and getting those glutes to fire.  You’ll want to progress very slowly.  If certain tissues are tight you should try to work on mobility of those tissues.  The nice thing about a PT is that they should be able to help you peel back the layers to try to find the underlying cause.  For myself, I had a bunch of different issues that were probably contributing to my tight lateral quads, it band, and resulting knee pain.  I believe it was a back issue that was keeping those structures tight, but there were areas that I needed to work on, like strengthening my glute med, hamstrings, and just my posterior chain in general.  Find what movements cause pain and what movements help, this can lead you in the right direction.
    AvatarPawan Lalwani
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    Hey Kefu, I also noticed that on my affected side my deep abdominals didn’t seem to be firing as hard as my unaffected side.  Same thing for my glute med on the affected side.  My PT said that once I got the back issue under control the muscels should start firing again.  So far I’ve been pain free since starting the Mckenzie exercises, some tightness does comes back if I stay in flexion for too long, or slouch while standing during the day.  As soon as I notice it coming back I do some standing back extensions and it goes away in the next couple minutes.  The decreases in tightness seems to last longer each day as I continue to do the Mckenzie exercises and remind myself to stand with good posture at work.  Sitting is still tough for me and I have to overcompensate with a larger lumbar curve than natural.  I’m hoping this decreases as time goes on.  Not saying you definitely have the same issue, but since we seem to have similar symptoms I wouldn’t rule out the back.  Good luck and keep us updated.

    AvatarPawan Lalwani
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    Went to go see the new PT again today, she thinks it’s an issue with discs near l1/l2.  The press-ups are definitely helping, if I feel tightness in my lateral knee I go do a pressup or standing back extension and am good to go for a bit.  My IT Band is the loosest it’s been in a long while when I palpate it.  She gave me some additional things to work on, including some movements to target right between the thoracic and lumbar spine.  Next step is to continue the pressups and other movements she gave me.  Trying to continue to stay out of flexion and the movements that are keeping my symptomatic.  She said if I can stay symptom free for a week we can start working on additional strengthening for my upper and lower back.  I never target the upper back.  But exercises that have targeted the lower back have seemed to help in the past.   She also had me practice keeping my transversus abdominis tight while doing bird dogs, which I don’t think I’ve done before. She taped my back again to remind me about posture.


    I spoke with her about how many patients she sees that don’t complain of back pain but have other chronic ailments that stem from the lumbar spine.  She mentioned about a 1/4 of the people she sees have little to no back pain, but have issues that stem from the spine.  Kefu, you should try some press-ups for a couple days and see if they help at all.

    AvatarPawan Lalwani
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    Thanks Kefu, very similar to the critique the mckenzie certified pt gave me, especially about the butt wink at the bottom.  Said that could be why squats seem to aggravate my condition.  Funny thing is that I have excellent hamstring mobility, so I’m missing it somewhere else.  I did purchase some of Naudi’s videos, just haven’t had a chance to watch them yet.

    This is what I posted in that other thread I have going on at tetongravity.com
    “Just wanted to report back, wore the tape since Wednesday, it definitely served to remind me when I was slouching. Did the McKenzie exercises daily and slept with a pillow under my lumbar spine. The tightness and irritation are basically non-existent when I really pay attention to posture. My IT band on the affected leg seems much looser than it’s been in quite some time. It feels un-natural how straight I have to stand up to stop the tightness and pain from coming back. I notice that when I’m standing my shoulders want to slouch forward if I don’t pay extremely close attention, this results in a slight rounding of my back. If I notice the tightness coming back I immediately go into standing back extension and it seems to help.

    I haven’t ridden my bike or gone touring while trying to ride or skin with improved posture, but that’s the next step. I’ve been told my posture on the bike needs improvement by one of the first bike fitters I went to, it’s very easy to get lazy and let your back round on the road or mountain bike when you get tired. I’m sure the same thing happens while I’m touring, leaning over slogging up a steep long slope allowing my back to round. Same thing with after I’m done with a long ride or tour, I am usually exhausted and my posture probably suffers for it. Have my next appointment on Wednesday, so I’ll be interested in what conclusions we come up with after this test. It appears that any exercise or posture that keeps me more upright and keeps the posterior chain tight helps my issue. Trick is going to be staying on top of myself and figuring out how to make some lasting changes.”
    I did go ski touring tonight, just up a local resort and paid very close attention to my posture.  I went pretty hard to see if I could keep my posture in check while exerting myself, it’s very hard to do once you’re winded and trying to run up the mountain on skis.  I didn’t pay attention to my breathing, which I really should have.   It seemed to help during the activity, feeling twinges now, but haven’t done any extension press-ups after the activity.  This last week the only things I’ve done are light one legged rdls, extenstion pressups(standing and lying) and some light foam rolling on the rectus femoris.  Tightness is so much better, but still comes back  if I’m not religious about the extension press ups.  Wondering if I actually have a back issue or if this is all posture related/core related.  I’ve been hitting the core pretty hard over the last couple weeks prior to just doing the extensions, but maybe not focusing on the right muscles. 
    AvatarPawan Lalwani
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    Went to see the McKenzie certified PT today. It’s a private cash only practice, but I paid less out of pocket then the out of network PT I was seeing. Funny how insurance works.
    Anyways, no smoking gun. Through all the tests there wasn’t one thing that stuck out to her. No reg flags while she put pressure on my lumbar spine. We went through my history, what I’ve been dealing with. What flares up my condition, what helps, etc. She said she deals with mostly athletes and that with a lot of them it’s hard to flush out the issue right away since most of them are strong and can compensate a number of different ways for any dysfunction. She mentioned if my quads were affected it could be an issue higher in the lumbar region which are sometimes harder to illicit a response from during a short period of time. Every sport I’m interested in is an endurance sport so I tend to be in the same position doing the same movement for long periods of time. 
    After talking with her about my lifestyle we did come to a conclusion, I appear to live in a way where I try to keep my back in extension as much as possible. I don’t sit unless I really have to, because I tend to slouch when I sit and this seems to tighten up my quads and IT Band. I have a standing desk at work and at home. When I watch tv or read I always try to lay on my stomach on my elbows, laying against a wall with a pillow behind me and my back in flexion seems to make my symptoms worse. I also sleep with a pillow under my pelvis/lumbar area which also seems to create less tension on the lateral side of my knee. 
    As a follow up we decided to tape my back to limit and remind me not to go into flexion, along with only doing McKenzie exercises over the next couple days. Nothing else that makes me feel better, like one legged rdls, etc. Just to see what happens. Since we couldn’t illicit any change in symptoms during a one hour visit I’m hoping we can flesh out some of the things that contribute to my pain/tightness over a couple days. If it makes no difference we can go from there, but it’s one avenue I haven’t gone done before, so it’s worth a shot.
    AvatarPawan Lalwani
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    Started incorporating controlled bodyweight back extensions into my workout, feel less tightness in the lateral knee than I have for a bit. Making sure not to hyper extend, but hitting a neutral.  Have an appt on Monday with a McKenzie diplomat that also backcountry skis and is an expert in biomechanics and how they affect sports performance.  Looking forward to meeting with her to see what her take is.

    AvatarPawan Lalwani
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    Thanks dj.  I usually don’t get pain upon squatting, but the tightness and pain return after.  I feel like maybe I’m compensating with some overactive muscles and then they tense up after.  I’ve been doing posterior and core strengthening the last couple days, seems to help, but always have that slight tightness that I know will come back once I stop.  I’ve wondered this before, but I’m really curious about a possible disc issue.  I don’t present with any back pain, although I’ve had a couple twinges here and there, never anything debilitating or something I thought I should have a doc check out.   I know most people have disc issues when they receive an MRI, but most have no symptoms.  I’m not sure an MRI would help anyways, am I going to have back surgery at this point, very unlikely. 

    Another thread I’ve had going for a bit, with some different perspectives, think there might be some useful info in it.

    http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/264615-ITB-Issues-What-Worked-for-You

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