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    • #70868
      AvatarSophie Ker

      Yesterday I spent a good 30 minutes bonesawing my calves, and found that they were more sore afterwards than they were before. Woke up this morning and still feeling like I just ran a marathon on them. Is this the desired result?? I’m trying to UNglue these tissues, not cause even more pain…

    • #74405

      You may have overdone it. 30 minutes was probably too long all at once.
      Broken up throughout the day would be better.
      Short doses especially if it is something new for the particular area or muscle group.
      What is your hydration like?
      You may have toxins in your system from what your muscles release when getting unglued.
      You need to flush your system of the toxins. Garbage out.
      If you are at all dehydrated that plays a role too.

    • #74406
      AvatarSophie Ker

      Hydration is actually pretty solid on me, I’m pretty ridiculous when it comes to water, salts, nutrition, etc. I’ll step it up a bit just in case. It’s alleviated a bit over the course of the day, but again, it still feels like a post-marathon type of calf soreness. I’m tempted to go smash more out, but perhaps that’s not the best idea after all.

      I think Kelly says in the book somewhere that the calves would need many hours of cooking to be eaten 😉 This is so true. I think I spent so much time on them cause I’ve been neglecting them, they’ve felt stiff, and I ended up tearing them up a bit much. It’s so hard to get effective smashing in by yourself cause it can really hurt. Need a superfriend!
    • #74407
      AvatarNathan Richer

      hey conor, here’s my opinion – you can always do yourself real damage by smashing. i think this is counter productive.  my PT told me that he gets a ton of people in now due to too much smashing – they are all bruised up and stiff/sore from it.  they try to follow MWOD principles but they are really overdoing it.

      even my graston person, whom i didn’t see for many years, told me she has changed from giving what i call the “graston beat down” where the tools just leave bruises all over you, to less bruising, more effective fascial treatments. she told me the entire graston community is changing to less bruising.
      i know that Kstarr and Roop say spend at least X minutes on something.  i think you need to approach that with modifications to your personal situation. you need to be able to adjust the pressure and know when to stop.  if you find that some tissue is still sore and you can’t get it to release today after a minute or two, i’d consider stopping and giving the tissue some time to rest and recover from the smashing, and then go at it again tomorrow.  as long as you have worked it, you have done work on the tissues. but you must be patient to let the tissue come back to health and get all of the restrictions and adhesions worked out. it can take a single session; it might take months. You may not need all of the X minutes that Kstarr/Roop recommend to release the tissue.
      ART and Graston professionals are trained to know when to stop. The bad ones don’t know when to stop and can’t feel when the tissue has changed.  I think self smashers need to develop the same intuition and sensitivity.
      Besides, if you overwork tissues and they have experienced real trauma, then you have to also heal the trauma to recover.  in addition to that, you may not be able to work out the next day because you’re so sore from the smashing, whereas you might have recovered if you had not smashed so vigorously.
      other things to consider – to recover from smashing and your workouts, you should be eating high quality protein and fats. the usual recommendation is 1g of protein per lb of body weight. this should help you recover a lot faster. 
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